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The de Balliol Society is named after the founding forefathers of the Bailey family that most famously include John 5th Baron de Balliol (abt 1205 - 1268), who was of Norman descent and who descended from an already well established family of noblety in France. He was one of the richest land owners of his time in Britain. Between 1251 and 1255, John served as the guardian of the young Scottish King Alexander and his loyalty to King Henry III (to whom he also served as Advisor) led to the temporary loss of his lands and a period of imprisonment after his capture in the Baron's War (1264 - 67) at the Battle of Lewes on 14 May 1264. John I de Balliol's son was John Balliol, the Kings of Scots. Although there is a suspicious lack of positive research available about him, with the existence of derisory remarks about King John and a particularly emphasis on his defeat as the King of Scotland, what can be deduced with richness is that he stood for the representation of the Scots in the face of considerable challenge and interference from England.

The de Balliol Society serves to represent the families (and their Descendant families) of those directly related to the founder of the de Balliol Society in offering, at the heart, an online forum for the discussion of geniology, business networking and general chat and friendship across families (regardless of direct relation). Assistance between families is widely encouraged and a sense of community is intended in the launch of the de Balliol society. Although not all familiies will be directly represented, discussion of them is entirely acceptable. Membership is free and subject to successful application, directly through our online forum where you will be contacted as part of the process in due course. The deBaliol Society also has an ever expanding family tree that is in development and subject to regular additions and revisions during the build stage and whilst DNA links are investigated.

The de Balliol Society family tree is currently running version 3.

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What is the de Balliol Society and Who Are The Represented Families?

The de Balliol Society offers a free of charge space for families related to the Society's founder to research, to discuss geniology, socialise (extremely broadly) and to support business networking. It is free of charge, but subject to a brief application process to establish that Society Applicants are indeed related to the represented families and their Descendants. Mistakes can and do happen in family research.

Families, and their Descendant families, currently represented by the deBalliol Society are as follows:

1. Bailey (de Balliol), 2. Cakebread, 3. Haycock/Heycock,

4. Hewitt, 5. Martin, 6. Nurse,

7. O'Reilly, 8. Lindon/Lyndon, 9. Phillips,

10. Round, 11. Spencer (De Spencer), 12. Talboys (de Talbois),

13. Townsend, 14. Wale

The de Balliol Society Philosophy

Access to the de Balliol Society and the family tree is made available for free given that (where the majority of the data is from) is very expensive. Any donations towards the modest running costs and also keeping an Ancestry account going are very much welcomed but you won't be hassled. Please do get in touch if you would like to be a financial supporter but don't feel pressured.

It is hoped that Society members will be happy to help each other across the represented families (and their Descendant families) whilst promoting a sense of community. The founder is always happy to receive feedback on any errors or ommissions and these can be raised on the deBalliol Society forum by Society Members.

Help will always be welcome from Society Members and the Society is not intended to, in any way, be recognised as a corporate identity. Access is provided "as is" without any intent to form contractual obligations and is provided entirely without warranty. The de Balliol Society is intended to be entirely democratic and the input and assistance from members will always be welcome. Society Rules (where it is hoped that there will be very few) may change without notice, it is important to keep up to date with them.

Editorial Notes..

1 The Baileys originating (as a spelling corruption) from the de Balliols is disputed mainly by Balliol College at the University of Oxford. As is often the case, present day members of the gentry do not like to downplay the status associated with their surname (or to be precise their title that has been adopted as a Surname) by admitting that their Surname is shared by a significant amount of the population. No other explanation is proffered or hypthosised by the college or other Geniologists sharing this view.

2 There are some Geniologists who dispute that if you have the surname "Spencer" (or you are related to somebody with the Spencer Surname) that you are in any way related to the aristocratic Spencers of Althorpe or with the preceding de Spencers (to be accurate, also a title). Althorpe take a more pragmatic view, and, at the time of writing, are kindly researching the Spencers of Kingsbury, Warwickshire (and Kent) on our behalf. The views of those who advocate this view will say that the Surname "Spencer" simply comes from somebody who was considered to be too poor or of such insignificance, as Servants (despensers), that they historically were not worthy of a Surname. Where this theory completely falls apart is apparent when researching the history of the Aristocratic Spencers that is a fascinating story in its own right. In brief, the despencers assisted King William the Conqueror in about 1066 and were subseqently granted the right to bear arms and the despenser/despencer title. The Spencers (including Sir John of Wormleighton, Warwickshire who went on to purchase and develop Althorp) also became sheep farmers who became wealthy through exceptionally talented business networking skills and subsequently the marriage of Spencer children that had come of age into the monarchy. Prince Harry and William are not the first. There humble beginnings make me proud and inspire me. Where the modern day Spencer origins have been disputed, no other explanation is proffered by Geniologists sharing this view and there are very active studies of the Y-DNA haplogroups of those males with the Spencer Surname already connecting them back to Althorp through Bedfordshire, UK.

3 Given common corruptions of names, given poorer relations were often disregarded and given the lack of any other, even hypothesised, origin, as with a lot of geniology, the earlier records provided on the de Balliol family tree are educated best guesses, supported as far as possible by a mix of parish records, (including baptisms) and marriage bans between 1500 and 1800. As such, the views expressed on the de Balliol Society website are not fanciful and are reasonable conclusions to draw, particularly since everybody, by biology, is eventually related in any event.